The "Manhattan" By Ameravape Technologies


http://www.p-vaper.co.uk/The-Manhattan-Brass-By-Ameravape-Technologies

2.4ohm resistance - 0.06 drop
1.1ohm resistance - 0.18 drop
0.5ohm resistance - 0.26 drop


Well, looks like the company did not like my review, apparently the mod will vent past the button at 35psi and when the button is pushed, as shown in the video, the one I have for review does not vent when the button is pushed.  I feel it's a shame the company has reacted in this way but as always, I am only sharing my opinion.
Saturday 17:21
Hi, Todd from Todds Reviews here Got one of your mods to review but I'm curious as to why there is no venting in the mod! There are holes in the top of the switch but the air can not escape out the bottom of the button. It's a brass version I have here. If you could update me on this ASAP as I am recording a review just now on it. Take care Todd
15 minutes ago
Please check ur email. There is venting. This is how we engineered this mod. Oxygen causes micro arcing. The mod will vent at 35 psi or when the button is pressed.
Button still has no venting when the button is pressed!
This mod has been used in competitions for 1 year now and we have. Tested this mod to the limits of all batteries. We engineered this mod for a specific purpose. I would hate for this to turn into a legal action. Please remove this video. You are not an engineer and I am.
You don't know what I am but threatening me was a silly thing to do.
It's not a threat my attorneys will be in contact especially because you are threatening me. Have a nice day

Comments

  1. Todd your review was open and honest as always, this is why the vaping community holds you in such high regard. The guy(s) at Ameravape are protective of their product, which is understandable. However they sent it to you for review and you provided constructive criticism. Constructive being the key word. Clearly they wanted you to provide a false review and their further actions have only served to affirm in my mind why not to deal with them. I think this also goes to show that Ameravapes' life time warranty would be hard to actually get anything out of, especially if you have to go to court every time.

    Lee

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  2. I don't think these companies realize what happens when they turn around and threaten legal action against people in their own community. Doc Dave was the first to realize that is not the way to handle shit and now he is one sorry guy. Hana and V3 Tronix signed their own death certificates by following in his footsteps. Now Ameravape thinks they are going to be able to do it to a loved member of the community that has integrity and telling the truth to protect vapers who will be stressing their batteries to the limit. First off there is no legal ground for anything and secondly of all the fuckin people in the world you choose to threaten publicly you choose the Scot in the shed? Your fucked Amerivape ! If I were you Mr. Engineer I would get on my knees and make a public apology to him , beg forgiveness and fix that fuckin thing so it vents you idiot! Otherwise sir you are going to have a whole lotta Manhattan mods piled up in your living room with no one to even give them away to.

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  3. I was really looking to get one of these but the way they handled that was messed up. I REALLY hope it gets cloned, If it gets cloned with no marking I will be stoked! These guys can't win in a court battle. It is a PERSONAL REVIEW. They are also trying to sue someone overseas. This is going to be fun. Todd, I have your back!

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  4. Todd, your reviews are honest, refreshing, and needed. I would agree with the above comments that this action by the "maker" is rude and out of line. I will not be sending them any of my earned money. Keep up the good work.

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  5. Great review once again!

    That 35psi venting got me puzzled a bit. With that kind of pressure the air might really get out from the button and you definedly cannot press the button (you can try to press your bicycle tiers which have inside pressure about 60 psi). If it doesn't escape, then there's a possibility, when combined with those massive magnets, that the threads give up in the button which is pretty bad design because then you have the button flying with high velocity. So, it's a great thing that you brought it up, since there's no way you could have tested the venting without blowing up a battery or making some kind of vent tester out of air compressor and they don't even mention about it in their website.

    What comes to the legal action. Well, at least they are straight about it. Same problem is in game reviews lately. There has been few occasions when some (even famous game reviewer) has given a bad review for a game, the company has blamed the reviewer for copyright infringement and YouTube has removed the review or the company has started some kind of bot attack to push down the review in search results. What I have understood the most of these game companies have been American, so there must have been some kind of legal battle against some reviewer giving a bad review. So, you ain't the only one with the problem with honest reviews and their aftermatches. Just keep your head cool and explain them that you couldn't have any idea about the venting because there is no mention about it and it can't be tested with usual methods, because the required pressure is so high.

    -IcedForce (Engineer student from Finland :p)

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  6. I too was interested in this mod until I read those comments.
    The way he addressed Todd was out of line.
    People look for the slightest things so sue others for.
    Todd you should send the mod back and take action for the mod giving you brass poisoning.:)
    I won't be buying anything from them.

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  7. the best engineered pipe bomb lol sounds like these guys really know how to blow themselves , maybe next time they will stick to paid advertising and stop trying to get something for free , you have too many friends to worry about a lawsuit will just sit up a Todd Fund Legal Counsel i think they may be the ones that need to be worried from their own customers if they have any keep true todd the truth will set you free take care my friend

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  8. If anyone wants a real mod for competion look at the new Orios by Aria claiming to be first 0 volt loss mod and not kill you. Also it is beautiful , best of both worlds and to not get dead is a no brainer.

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  9. "Oxygen causes micro arching"?? Really?? That's the explanation? So are they saying you're supposed to pull a vacuum on the tube before tightening down the end caps? Because I think there will be oxygen in the tube regardless. Maybe they want you to fill the tube with argon or something. Whatever the reason, I don't think they thought this all the way through. 35 psi might not sound like a lot, but I bet it would shoot that mod like a rocket.

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  10. I'm returning my week old Manhattan due to this.

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  11. You guys don't know Ameravape. They don't take criticism well. They are a sensitive bunch. I don't think safety is their top priority if you've met or seen their YouTube vids. They are the ones putting people in danger. Actually they are putting the whole vaping community in danger. Cloud chasing is cool but when it's so publicly marketed....it's not good for the vaping industry especially during this time where vaping is being scrutinized.

    Btw, great honest review Todd.

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  12. Everything you said is the truth. They can sue you all they want but I'm sure they will be told by their lawyer that if what you said has ANY merit they might be faced with a total lock down of their production due to violation of basic safety rules.
    Big mouth asshats nothing else.
    Keep it up Todd.

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  13. We're right behind your back Todd. We won't let Ameravape shut you up. (Review already backed up and soon uploaded).

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  14. Hey Todd! If I gave you a Mod that I manufactured for review and you came to the conclusion you have here, it would be MY responsibility to investigate the issue rather than threaten you because of fear of slumping sales!! Piss on em! Keep up the fine work! Danny H.

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  15. Interesting, nothing on the AV specs page! Also, how does "micro arching" or Plasma electrolytic oxidation come into play here. As a long time sailer myself, some sail equipment uses this coating on the winch system. btw, I thought your review was somewhat glowing and fair, but the one non-negotiable in today's ecig world is safety, and apparently AV failed!http://ameravapetechnologies.tumblr.com/specs

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  16. Just popped back to say, that I wouldn't trust that mod at all. I have been trying to find info on the venting around Ameravapes website and I haven't found anything. All I found was one video where a guy shows manhattan full of water and the water drips through the button. So, even if it's just Todds mod where the venting doesn't work, it's still a huge safety problem, because who knows how many others there is without venting.

    Also asked my friend who works with cellphone batteries and their safety about that claimed 35 psi venting and he said that it is very dangerous design at least if there isn't mechanism that opens with the pressure of 35 psi and then there would be open venting (meaning anything can go through it without problems). The major problem is that if the venting works only with pressures over 35 psi there could be the 35 psi worth of pressure after the battery has failed and so the mod would be a real pipebomb even if the most of the pressure has been released.

    So I really would like to see a video explaining that venting and showing how it works when a battery fails by Ameravape.

    -IcedForce

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  17. Well they handled that professionally...

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  18. Well, that escalated quickly.

    PR disasters aren't usually a good business plan, but I guess that rather than work with the reviewers and the customers that they'd rather do it that way.

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  19. Opps... guess Ameravape won't be selling much in UK

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  20. Balanced and reasonable Todd, Ameravape, probably feeling a bit silly.

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  21. Safety matters to me, and cheers for pointing out the glaring safety issues with this one.

    I care about my teeth, face, family, etc.

    I tested my Mods and have assigned my Caravela to the B.1.N based on this, it literally had no venting, open switch or closed. Pipe bomb. My bad for using a certain online retailer and expecting safety.

    If a Law Suite is filed, I think you have enough support to ensure you can launch a defence. It's pathetic really, you do them (and us) a service and get dissed as a result. Bad crack

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  22. It is completely disgusting.they treating you in a childish way instead of giving you a full explanation of how it vents. They could have offered to call you for instance. The vaping community goes through important times right now and that crappy attitude f boicot this "company" and dont buy anything from a no one only harms us all. It is clear they are on this just for the money and that's it. We should all just boicot this company and don't buy anything from them. Todd, you are a wonderful guy and you have the support of us all

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  23. Competition vaping... that says it all. These dubious people have an angle of the market that is skewed. No idea what sub ohm compos entail but hey.. I gave up smoking tobacco without this sub-ohm stuff. Only in America... shame is not a word they wear well... but is fully deserved.

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    1. Americans in general have nothing to do with your 'perceptions'. The mod vents, period.

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  24. A Holes = A void

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  25. Good and honest review as always Todd, AmeriVape's response was inappropriate given that you contacted them and asked about it. I AM an Aerospace Engineer and the fact that that thing is "Designed to vent at 35 PSI" seriously? That is just scary, so you have battery gases combined with 35 PSI of pressure behind it, you are quite right, it is nothing more than a pipe bomb, or an accumulator. Given the thickness of the tube, it's unlikely that it would explode but if it's not venting and you tried to unscrew it with 35 PSI behind it... The switch or top cap would definitely fly hard and fast and could seriously injure someone. Even the cheapest of clones will usually have free flowing vent holes, so what were they trying to design with a mod that would only vent at 35 PSI, a bloody cannon??? If they're trying to keep sane and safety conscious vapers away, they've sure as hell done that, don't buy this dangerous piece of flawed nonsense!

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  26. Well done Todd as usual and a nice touch showing the company's response to your very valid concerns.
    Smoking may give you lung cancer etc
    Vaping with this may result in loss of hands, face or head
    hmm!!! which route will I take????

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  27. This upsets me to no end, We are the real Amerivape Inc located in the U.S. We as a company have built our business based on customer service. There has been confusion regarding the name. I would like any information as to where this guy is operating from. I checked the California corporations website and says it has been dissolved. As we do not at this time manufacture mods, we are planning to in the future. Please provide any information regarding this company so we can file our suit for Trademark infringement against them. People like this will ruin the vaping community. They must be stopped especially if they are putting people in danger. Your help is greatly appreciated.

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    1. Lmfao this is a pathetically laughable attempt to side step all the negative press and indignation that has risen from this PR debacle. Instead of acting like a unethical and infantile sleezeball doing their best to try to avoid the blame for what they clearly did, I'd recommend manning up and just owning up to responding from a place of emotion and panic instead of the calm, deliberate, and Sensimat response pertaining to the subject at hand ie venting. Or better yet, you guys should just invest HEAVILY in a PR department even though by now the damage is done and it's way past the time when the damage could have been rescinded or negated. On the bright side, in case you change your personal names, as well as your company's name, I hear Don Draper may be available ������

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  28. I have to mention, that i've never understood why people put vents in the bottom of devices. If a battery gets to the point of venting, it will swell considerably before it vents, and every lithium ion battery I've ever seen, vents on the positive terminal. Venting on the bottom of a mod are literally useless. If there is no vent near the top of any particular mod, especially one designed for some sort of subohm competition, then maybe said mod should be named a Darwin (sorry Evolv).

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  29. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl6QyAIKZqI check the comment by Ari Mouratides

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  30. Todd, with no background in engineering, your views of this device are based purely on dogmatic ideas of why venting is required and how it "may" provide safety. In light of your lack of expertise of the engineering decisions made in this device, you would fair better to own up to that fact, and remove the video, and/or make a new one explaining that your recommendation to avoid the device is unsubstantiated and should not be, in any case seen as a valid reason to avoid the device.

    You are correct in stating that the cell will not vent through the button. This rings true with practically every mechanical device available, not just this one. Your understanding of that needs a major overhaul.

    Also, their so called "engineering" background appears to be lacking as well. If they were the engineers they claim to be, they would acknowledge that no amount of venting at the button side will provide an adequate path for gases in a vent condition. This arises due to the severe lack of path between the cell and the tube wall.

    So, to be fair, you should acknowledge that this device is no different than any other button side vent device. Only devices with vents on the top side of the device "may" vent and provide a smidge of protection, with the exception of a case when the cell is used inverted.

    I would agree that their reply is unwarranted , and shows their lack of "engineering" ability if they dont understand the concept I outlined above, but you should come forth and advise people to your misunderstanding as well.

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    1. Todd, not having an engineering degree to your knowledge not only states in his video that he is "no expert" but he is also correct. The Manhattan was poorly designed/engineered when it comes to venting. Every Manhattan Clone on the market (that is typically priced around $40 and under) vents significantly better than the AmeraVape version. Whether they are opinions or not, it pretty obvious to see the venting flaws if you own one. (Which I do and the venting sucks!) AmeraVape messed up on that big time. Other than that it is a DECENT mod. Never the less the mod is still dangerous without the venting feature. Also other mods (not all but there are some put there.) That do have functional venting systems. (Which make them significantly safer for competitions.) There is no point in arguing with anyone here if you are going to try to defend AmeraVape in any way shape and or form, because you will lose 10 times out of 10. Have a nice day.

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  31. Can I suggest you drop me an email and provide more information on how venting works.

    I am not an expert, evry video states in the description that I am not an expert but I am always open to being educated.

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  32. Respect (as ever) the review Todd. What's often not stated is the high temp generated by a shorting battery. Different polymers (Delrin) have different thermic resistances. If the Delrin melts before the chosen venting route occurs?

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  33. Wait guys...whats wrong with VTC4's???? I just got 2 new ones because I was told the VTC5's were recalled?

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  34. Dear Todd
    Thanks for your reviews! This is just silly that this went the way it did, isnt that the point of having people review item? To see what an everyday person might have issues with. The company could have handled it much better in my opinion. I was looking at purchasing one of these a couple day earlier, even if it does work as they say, I will not give them my business.

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  35. Hey todd, one of your "followers" here, so you stated above your NOT and expert but yet you were making statements on engineering facts. Please tell us what are your credentials. And this goes for every other reviewer out their, Keep your opinions to opinions and if your going to claim mechanical facts state your credentials and scientific tests to back up your claim.Leave the mechanical facts to actual engineers to either prove or disprove a claim. You to also put people's safety in your hands when you make such claims! If your going to be a leader, do it properly. And we as followers should be questioning these reviewers as to what makes them such "EXPERTS" DO your homework, do your research.

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  36. Hey Todd, I just wanted to say thank you. You are one of the main people who helped me get off smoking cigs and been a faithful watcher of your reviews for a long time now. Thanks for the many times you saved my money from being taken by someone who produced a product that I wouldn't have liked. I liked the look of this mod, but after seeing how they responded I canceled all plans to purchase. I really thought they would respond to the questions, but instead of addressing they acted like a spoiled cunt. I really wish this company wasn't american owned, christ we look bad enough to folks. Here people are sue happy as if it will fix all of there problems, instead of just admitting the problem and providing an easy fix they tried to make you the badguy. Non sense M8 pure non sense. I know nothing will come of this legally but I hope what does happen is the company tanks out and they leave the business, they deserve no support now nor in the future.

    You are a person with common sense and these people that run around spouting degrees are normally a bunch of idiots with a paper on the wall...Yes common sense is something that isn't taught and very few have. Keep up the fine work todd. be well.

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  37. See what the funny thing is everybody bases there decision off of one man when you have never seen the product it self in person so how can you make a decision off what one person says lol that's funny you all crack me up hole you all have a nice day vape on

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  38. Yup, I take Todd's reviews, balance what I've researched myself, look at the price, and if it all clicks, I click "buy". To be fair to Todd, he does a good job of covering the pros and cons of a device and just gives an opinion. Why diss that? What is wrong with a guy reviewing something influencing my decision. He's seen the product, he's used it, and he's given his opinion on it (good and bad) that's a review, people use reviews to guide their purchases, it's not anything new.

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  39. Kris Robertson7 June 2014 at 09:52

    To all you say Todds needs to be an engineer. Shut it. He always says he is no professional and this is "HIS" opinion only and encourages everyone to watch and read other reviews as well before making a decision.

    Some people need to get the ye ole stick out of their arse.

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  40. I guess for all other failures in engineering, like Apple, Dell, Sony, etc have had, they must have hired non-engineers for the design work.

    A couple of questions for you engineers out there:

    1) You have designed two devices, both of them use replaceable third-party components. Both can be purchased by anyone. One has several protections so that chances the users hurt themselves is decreased, the other has only one of those protections.

    What device would be more likely to injure the user?

    2) The main users of the device that has been designed with only one protection, are users that push the tolerances of the 3rd-party components to the limits (and beyond). The tolerances and failure characteristics of the user selectable 3rd-party components vary.

    What would be the best design for the protection - one that also uses a tolerance, or one that functions without a tolerance?

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  41. I am a modest collector of high end mods. This one was on my Radar as I am overloaded on Greek mods and do not have many American mods in my collection.
    At this point I could care less if it vents or not. I will be passing on this one and bumping the Nanos up in the buy que.
    Keep up the good reviews, you are doing a fine job of them.

    Respect to the Bloke in the Shed!

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  42. http://ameravapetechnologies.tumblr.com/ oh my! Ameravape just canned the Manhattan!

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  43. Todd, thank you for another honest review.

    'The mod will vent at 35 psi or when the button is pressed.'

    If it vents at 35 psi, where is the valve and why was this not explained in detail by Ameravape? Yours didn't vent when you pushed the button. IMO this thing is a pipe bomb as you said.

    Good to see Ameravape have stopped making this device. Good on you for sticking to your guns.

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  44. Good honest review. Based on the reaction of AV to the review more than the review itself, I would never buy so much as 5ml of juice from them. As far as legal action... after 35 years background in the field, if they had a legal action, you would have heard from their " attorney" rather than this forum.

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  45. Please never take the video down!

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  46. I just purchased one prier to seeing this video. I'm from the USA and the one I got vents reely well. I don't know if they modified the mod or not but its works very nicely.

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